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Re: Philips House
Mar 21st 2007, 10:36
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hi peter
Cant get the plans to show, but i get the idea from the rest of your post.
I cant understand how this can happen, apart from the fact its SURREY, not Hants, seems one rule for them and another for us, re planning ect. No. of parking spaces needed for each home is a JOKE these days.
POP quiz time.
Say 1970, Famaly of 4 2 at 40's 1 at 20 and a teen of say 16
HOW MANY CARS would this family have OWNED/in drive way.
Now TODAY 2007 same as above 2 at 40's 1 at 20 and a teen 16
Now look at the number of cat parking places needed for a houses now (hahahahahahahahahahahaha). Also look at the PRIVATE drive way the 2000+ homes get compared to the homes of the 1950-80's. Just a joke. IT NEEDS LOOKING AT. the Huts is bad. It just going to get worse. And with councils saying things like 'there is a PUBLIC car park near by, no need for office/ shop staff parking space' it will get worse.
So lets say that after the 'tunnel' is built (hahahaha) and the A3 is closed (not a good idea in my books) and lets just say that Drummonds go and houses are built, how long would we, as a group of 'normal' people give it till the whole area past the lights are new houses. Barons can make a profit selling cars but if they own that land HOW much would they make. Then the Jet garage would go and what about the other shops. All the landlords seeing how much the LAND is worth. Crazy just plan crazy and whats worse is I bet Surrey will let it happen.
The old Post office on the corner, (no longer there) was it not LISTED.....
Chat later

Re: Philips House
Mar 25th 2007, 16:43
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Pete,

You're quite right to urge all parties to remain in dialogue on matters such as this. However the key to ongoing harmony is a dialogue wherein the issues gain a full airing and where those in power take on board the views of the village rather than just forcing through their preconceived politically self-serving solutions.

I learned today that the EHDC Cabinet, led by Ferris, had Philips House on their January meeting agenda and classified the item as "Exempt" meaning that they wanted their dialogue to be out of the public eye. They also intended to make a "key decision" on it. There is no further information on why this was, nor what was discussed or what decision was made. All that is clear is that these discussions are not being shared openly.

The point for harmonious constructive dialogue is during the formative phases of thinking on issues such as this. Instead our political leadership are careful to conduct all of this in private behind closed doors and then simply present the resultant detailed plans to us for "consultation" - and then describe us as "Rabble Raisers" when we happen to disagree.

You only need to see who takes the media bow when such developments are complete to understand in whose interests the plan was in the first place. I am sure Ferris will be the first to use the facilities when the toilets open!!

Stuart

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Philips House
Mar 25th 2007, 17:03
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Surely this is turning into the hot topic in Grayshott.

I will endeavour to ensure that all parties are given an opportunity to air their views on the website in the hope we can maintain an open and constructive discussion.

I'm sure Ferris will be monitoring this thread and can shed some light.

Peter Hatch
Webmaster www.grayshott.com

Re: Philips House
Mar 27th 2007, 11:58
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I bit of further information received today is that the Philips House discussion at the EHDC Cabinet on 24 Jan related to a proposal to sell parcels of land. The EHDC Minute is as follows:

81. PHILLIP’S HOUSE, GRAYSHOTT. Cabinet considered the Exempt Report of the Land and Property Manager, HS.01/07, which had been previously circulated. In presenting the report, the Land and Property Manager addressed the question of value.

Following his presentation and explanation of the advice given, it was

RESOLVED that the sale of parcels of land, as set out in the Exempt Report, be APPROVED.


I have enquired as to exactly which parcels of land were involved and who the buyer is.

Stuart

Re: Philips House
Mar 29th 2007, 14:49
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On the question of housing demand and supply there is a EHDC report being presented today on the availability of development land. This report says that in the EHDC area there is a surplus of development land and, effectively, that EHDC are likely to exceed the new house development targets they have by some 397 homes. Demand for housing in the District will therefore be addressed by the overall building activity expected. This is the link:
http://213.131.190.46/ehdc/committee2000.nsf/0/50A76EDD57531B528025729800489CAD/$File/DOMO6Z4G4P.doc

In light of this new housing, affordable housing provision should not used to justify tearing down 1 Beech Hangar End. We should upgrade the existing Philips House, preserve our historic buildings and apply the village design statement.

Stuart

Re: Philips House
Mar 30th 2007, 15:18
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Hi Stuart
You all KNOW, i hope, that im in favour of NOT pulling down the OLD philps house, BUT with news I have found out :-) IF the building was to be UPGRADED then NO monies would be forth coming from ANY areas's.

If however the site was to bulldozed then any amount of monies would be THROWN at the NEW build.

Yea....but.....yea......but....yea....but....yea.....but...

What the **** gives. To keep a building and re do / do it up NO GRANTS

To pull it down, get the money to build 2-4 new homes from land taken from another houses garden, then pull down cottage 1 and build 'NEW' philips house. THEN when this is all done and everybody is relocated in new homes from the old Philips house Pull down Old philips house and BUILD more houses. ALL PAID FOR. N

Now I know I cant add up yea....but.....yea....but to relocte say 3-5 people at a time to re modenise the OLD philips house MUST BE CHEAPER and in KEEPING with the village design statement ? It also keeps the building as it was ment to be.
Now then if you wants to pull down the building next to the Fox and Pelican PLEASE DO, whoever let that be build MUST have been blind, sorry but where is it in KEEPING with anything in GRAYSHOTT let alone Lloyds or the F & P ?
Hope to be at meeting tonight, PLEASE Lilly sleep well tonight :-)

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Re: Philips House
Apr 1st 2007, 00:53

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Well done Ferris. In spite of the huge workload you now have as leader of our local council, you are obviously well in touch with the ward you represent. You've listened to the many views on this subject following a tentative proposal, taken them on board, and then spent what must have been a massive amount of time in trying to work out a reasonable solution for most parties. Including what must be the most important issue, that of the current residents of Philips House. Your presentation was first class last night, and I feel confident, working alongside the responsible parties involved, you've laid the foundation for a sensible solution.

There may be times when you cannot keep everyone happy (even me on ocassions!) but no-one can deny the energies you put into Grayshott to try and ensure it enjoys it's status as a thriving and enjoyable community.

I sincerely hope you will not be tempted to allow the occasional ill-founded criticism from some to dampen your enthusiasm.

Dick Smith




Re: Philips House
May 18th 2007, 11:56
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Hi
Not seen any news on this topic !
Not slidding under the radar?

Philips House plus others
Jun 2nd 2007, 22:11
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Hi Padawan.
Like you I have not seen much action or input on this subject.I know that the Grayshott Society and Phill Bates are keeping a close eye on developments.
Having looked at the photo of Beechhanger Cottages I would not like any of them to be destroyed. They remind me so much of the 30s architecture in Letchworth Garden City where I spent some time in the past.
May I draw all your attention to yet another billboard in Beacon Hill (SURREY) which I noticed today regarding land/property for sale. Will this mean more appartments/flats in the Grayshott area ? YET MORE PRESSURE ON SERVICES AND INFRASTUCTURE IN OUR VILLAGE!
Where else will the new residents go regarding services Grayshott cannot take any more, as much as we would like to welcome them.
Regards
Jack Gilbert

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Re: Philips House plus others
Jul 28th 2007, 11:53
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Hi
Rather than a pump post :-)

Any more news on this topic ?

I seem to be a Mushroom at the moment :-(

Re: Philips House
Oct 8th 2007, 15:14
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Hi

Wow nearly a year since the meeting......

ANY NEWS.

Like the tree opposite the bank that needs to be cut down and is still standing :)

Should I have just sadi 'bump'

Re: Philips House
Oct 9th 2007, 08:02
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Hi,

Well not much.
We knew that any progress on the Philips House issue was dependant on the outcome of 8 Beech Hanger End and the second planning application for this site has now, of course, been approved. I presume we will now be contacted by the architects etc. to discuss the next step. Will keep you all posted when there is any news...

Re: Philips House
Nov 5th 2007, 16:25
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Hi all

Just had a realy nice chat with a customer today talking about alterative heating/water/energy costs and things.
Turns out that DEEP within the offices of Drum and other government organizations are people who are kept under lock and key. These people are hired to help build/design sustanable homes. They are a rare bread and only come out at night by all accounts :)

But they are there, and I think that as Grayshott is so on the map now. WE all should ask for them to look at the NEW builds by DRUM housing for MORE effort to be put in place for NEW homes to be more self surporting of heating/water/energy costs.
Read beds. WORK
Solar power WORKS
Bore Holes for water as well as hot water. WORK as long as it can be done.
Not a energy saver BUT under ground car parking. More space to build HOMES on so it must work out cheaper, it also means that the owners of the homes are safer, as no doubt in years to come car crime will increase.

And there are other means to collect and staore energy. Rain water can produce energy via the down pipes, so to can the soil pipes. enough said.

So please can one of these nice people be found.
Also can the Council not look at asking for these 'NEW' ideas to be part of planning aplication? With all that has been done so far this would surley put Grayshott on the map and EVEN a few awards;)

It must be doable and at lower costs if they are done at the BUILD stage not after.
AND the savings would come in stright way, and stay there. Maintancae is always needed and would hopfully be low.

I for one cant see why these cannot be used.

Re: Philips House
Nov 5th 2007, 17:35
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Well said Dogfish, let's try and find one of these rare breed specimens!!!
Anyone any idea how?

Re: Philips House
Feb 23rd 2008, 17:56
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Hello All

Just had some sad news not naming names here but a great personal friend and fighter for the Philips house, and at least one other person, are making other arrangments for housing, all the stress of the 'New Philips House' the what will and what will not happen, as well as No communal room, no apparments (all falts), as well as other things, has got to much for them
All I can say is what a shame and they will be missed.
And I also hear that the flat/apartment will NOT be re let. So another empty room for 2 years at least.
This in its self is shameful but we can see why, not so many people to relocate when the time comes. Not thinking about people just the numbers.
Like the new P.H. No communal room, where weekly tea is served, amongst a lot of other 'group' activities, on a weekly basis. As well as a Christmas party and Birthday parties. And I did not know this but its also not going to be a Sheltered house either, due to would you believe it, Grants from the mighty Labour government. Come on. Grant for flats but no grant for Sheltered flats??? What the hell is going on here? Take away a Sheltered Home, build none sheltered flats. (screams) This is not the same (stops screaming) What a load of crock. This must be re looked into. Take away Sheltered housing from Grayshott and where can people go. Is there other sheltered housing in Grayshott the same as P.H? Not that I can think of.
I'm all for the rebuild, if it has the same features as the old one.
I asked about eco. energy and guess what the answer was. That would put 10% on the build costs. At least do it when its Built, saves money in the long run though....
Rant over
Fare well friend you shall be missed by me at least.

Re: Philips House
Mar 1st 2008, 13:24
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Hello

News that these houses are great for all.
Copied from Grayshott.com Home page.

Cllr Ferris Cowper, Leader of the Council and Councillor for Grayshott, commented "I'm delighted that for the first time in about 20 years we are getting new affordable housing in Grayshott. With the escalation in house prices we have to look after not just the elderly who may need help with subsidised housing but, increasingly, our younger folk who can't get on the housing ladder.

Nice thought but able bodied young people do not need as much 'care' as 'some' elderly people might need, or they might like the thought of having a person on call incase they need them. This is being taken from Grayshott, something it has had for some time. Strange.

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